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yet another reason I am glad I dont live in or close to a major city... If anyone tried that crap in our county, the sheriff here would lock them up and put them under the jail for as long as he could and there would be a nice selection at the next governement auction for the rest of us responsible riders. the mindset of those people is dumbfounding.. absolute disregard for anyone other than themselves... disgusting!
 

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That would last 5 minutes on our side of the river - I'm just sayin'
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No helmets required. Not a brain worth saveing in the whole bunch
 
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And yet not a single patrol car in the entire area... Shame on the Philly PD!!! I wonder if anything was done about this video?
 

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i have heard from some people that are more local to the area that if the police catch them that they MAY issue a ticket, but that the city's official stance is to NOT give chase because of the possibility of someone getting killed during the chase.

Jack, i have said for years that we should donate Philadelphia to New Jersey, maybe as a Christmas present? doing that would cut my taxes in HALF!! or maybe when they dredge the river, they can just dredge Philly under and send'em all out to sea!
 

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this is what gives legit atv riders a bad name. If cops tried to pull them over they would run. if sh#thead crashes and someone gets hurt or killed, then the police would be held responsible for sh$theads actions. there would be wrongful death lawsuits, or injury lawsuits targeting the city and the police because none of these morons have money or insurance. the system is screwed when the wrongful party is not held accountable for their actions. :whateva:
 

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Is this legal or does just nobody care? In Germany you would loose your driving license for a couple of month at least and pay about 1000 euros if you are lucky :)
 

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definitely NOT legal, but the police apparently have no desire to do anything about it

"Chasing ATVs with conventional police vehicles or even police ATVs, as suggested, is simply a tragedy waiting to occur. While I understand the frustration of my officers and communities they serve, there is absolutely no life worth risking to chase an ATV." -- Charles H. Ramsey, Philadelphia Police Commissioner, "Letters: Chasing rouge ATVs is not a safe solution", Philadelphia Inquirer (10/20/09)
 

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I have done some dumb things in my time on an atv. But that has to be one of the dumbest things I have ever seen...

It is obvious that they all know nothing will happen to any of them..

I hate to say this but, I am afraid it will take them killing or seriously injuring someone and the cops will have no choice but to crack down...

This is down right disgraceful makes me sick to see the statement from Charles H. Ramsey, Philadelphia Police Commissioner... How can he walk around with a badge that says to protect and serve but make that bullshit statement ? Who is he protecting by doing nothing ? Glade I dont live there.. Sorry for the ppl that do
 

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That's definitely messed up but as long as they stay in Philly I'm not complaining.
 

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Ramsey used to be the Chief of police here in Washington DC. This used to happen here all the time but what happened was DC govt made all motorized vehicles have to be registered everything from scooters to dirt bikes of any cc. Then the DC cops would ride around and start towing these things if they weren't registered. If you tried to go over to MD or VA they would not sell them to you unless you registered it. It cut down on just about all of this activity but it took a guy on a dirt bike killing a young kid before it happened.

I can't believe how many of them are riding in that group and how many are riding Banshee's. All the Banshees in the US must be in Philly. Two smokes.
 

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Someone needs to clean the gene pool! >:D
 

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Philly has bigger problems then chasing people on ATV's for minor violations.

yes, something needs to be done before someone is seriously injured or killed.

However, enforcing a law doesnt stop people from doing things like this. Look at DWI laws... thousands of people die each year related to dwi's, we enforce DWI laws, but people still do it.

The thing that makes me laugh the most is that people say "where is the LEO's" People complain all the time about officers enforcing laws, but then are the first complain when officers arent enforcing a law. Instead of asking where is law enforcement, ask where are the citizens of this town. Dont they care enough to stand up and help put a stop to it??
 

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Philly also has a major problem with homocide, of it citizens AND it's police officers. my guess is that the citizens are TERRIFIED to try to do anything about it, and if they did, we'd have another trayvon martin case.
 

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other side of the same state. this was VERY close to my home riding areas

Several all-terrain vehicle operators, including some from Clarion County, face traffic and game law violations following a joint operation between the state police and Game Commission wildlife conservation officers in northern Armstrong County March 17.
Eighteen people were apprehended for driving on roads and riding on private property without permission, police said.
The operation took place along various roads within Redbank, Wayne, Mahoning, Cowanshannock, Rayburn and Valley townships between 11:30 a.m. and 1:30 p.m.
A helicopter from the State Police Aviation Unit at Latrobe located the violators from the air and ground units moved into position to stop them.
"We've been receiving a lot of complaints from landowners in that quadrant of the county and we decided to deal with the situation," state police Lt. Thomas E. Dubovi said.
Dubovi said a similar tactic was used several years ago during a crackdown on game violations in the East Brady area.
"We're planning on using it again in the near future," Dubovi said.

In addition, two 15-year-old boys from New Bethlehem and two 14-year-old boys from Kittanning were also cited.
"People try to outrun us on the ground in these situations," Dubovi said. "But a helicopter can chase them until they run out of gas or just give up."
The ATV riders face charges including riding on the road and operating without proof of insurance. The fines for those offenses range from $50 to $200 plus court costs.
"People riding ATVs and other motorized vehicles like these seem to think they can ride wherever they want to, "Dubovi said. "They have to realize they have to ask property owners permission before riding on their land, and to stay off the roads and trails."
ATVs are allowed to use public highways and streets when its necessary to cross a bridge, culvert or roadway, according to the state Department of Conservation and Natural Resources website.
ATV riders can only operate legally on trails clearly marked for their use, the site says.
Operators must be 16 years of age or older.
Municipalities can also further regulate or ban the use of ATVs under local ordinances, the DCNR site says.

Mudlawdawg, this is where i have a problem with law enforcement. these guys were cited for crossing state game land property. not running red lights, tearing up city parks or endangering most of the community, just crossing game commission property. would the resources not be better used to clean up a potentially dangerous situation? when you figure out the cost of operating a helicopter for 2 hours and the manpower involved and compare that to the revenue returned from the fines, it doesn't make any sense at all. In Pa, law abiding citizens are required to pay registration fees every 2 years and carry liability insurance on our ATV's. instead of fining people for crossing state property, they should be thanking us (by allowing operation on game lands) for providing them with countless dollars from registration fees.
 

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Yes, more then one violation could have been issued. However, most of us try not to stack on violations. When issuing a citation its not about the money as most people will like to say. Its about correcting a drivng behavior.

I can see your side. I too would be upset if people are complaining about a problem and then seeing these people only get a slap on the wrist. Its people like them that give us all a bad name. Just like it only takes one bad cop to give all us cops a bad name.

As far as citizens getting involved, they need to... You cant comapre the martin case to any of this. Im sure there will be more facts to come out in that case that will make everyone eat crow. Dont always believe the news story. They are there to sell a story just like any other Tv show.
 

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All I see is a blatant act of people who have NO regard for the public, public property, city DMV rule of law, and disregard for civility.
This was nothing more then a gang of criminals who if they rode a HD would be rounded up quick.
Even the diver of the car was disregarding the law of the road by driving on the wrong side, illegal left turns, running red lights, and passing stopped lighted school bus.
I wonder how many of these dirt bikes and quads would turn out to be stolen property.
With out laws we have anarchy, with of rule of law we have tyranny.
This is Socialism at it's worst, heaven forbid they should have to follow any law of the land. What else do you think is happening in this city if this is a non starter for enforcement.
I wouldn't step foot in or any where close to Philly less I have plenty of firepower because you couldn't count on a cop to save you.
 

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i didn't mean to insinuate that this was similar to the martin case, just that if the citizens were to take action against the offenders, something similar to the martin case would be a very real possibility.

i certainly am not making any generalizations about law enforcement officers. i'm sure most of them are just like anybody else, they go to work and try to do the best that they can. and i certainly respect that. i was trying to point out that Philly has a major problem. not just with stolen atv's roaming the streets like a pack of wild dogs, but big problems. when someone commits a crime, they usually do so thinking that they can get away with it. these guys obviously are not afraid of the police department, or they wouldn't so obviously be breaking the law, in plain view of anyone who cared to look out of a window.
the original intent of this thread was that if this is the only exposure many voters have to ATV's, then i can see where they would vote down legislation that allow ATV use.
 

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Just another case of Flash Mob activity. This is not the freedoms I spent 31 years of my life defending. The good news is I didn't see a grizzly among them, that just shows you that a better class of people ride Grizzly's........


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